Militant women slam DOJ for public prosecutor’s poor showing

Press Release
Pagkakaisa ng Kababaihan (KAISA KA)
September 12, 2006
Reference: Atty. Virginia Pinlac, Chairperson (0920-9215248)

 

“Is the DOJ deliberately asking for a poor showing for the case or are we to believe we have ‘incompetent’ public prosecutors?”

This was the question posed by the militant women’s organization Pagkakaisa ng Kababaihan (KAISA KA) after witnessing yesterday’s poor performance from the public prosecutors as L/Cpl Daniel Smith took the stand for the defense’s opening salvo on the controversial Subic Rape case.

In a picket-protest in front of the Makati Regional Trial Court, members of KAISA KA rallied in support of Nicole while chiding the public prosecutors for not putting up a fight in court.

According to Atty. Virgie Pinlac, spokesperson for KAISA KA, the poor showing is highly suspect because the defense’ side announced their game plan a few days ago. She raised fears that the DOJ may be deliberately trying to lose the case due to pressure from the US government.

“Are we being sold out by our own?” lamented Pinlac.

Previously, KAISA KA along with other member organizations of Task Force Subic Rape held several rallies and pickets before the DOJ in reaction to Secretary Gonzales’s comments that raised possible exoneration of the four US Marines.

KAISA KA pointed out that the outcome of the Subic Rape case will have strong repercussions on the US-RP relations in the future especially because Filipinos the past were unable to successfully prosecute any US soldier for crimes committed in the country.

If the US sees that we buckle down on this case, we can expect more Nicoles or worse in the future because they know WE DON’T take care of our own,” ended Pinlac.   

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49 Comments

  1. Melba said,

    September 14, 2006 at 7:16 am

    Either that or Smith was just lucky.

    By ethics, it would have been imprudent to criticize the male public prosecutor’s performance during the cross examination of Daniel Smith. The prosecution lawyers even said that he did his best and was able to ask worthy questions.

    But maybe in the eyes of these militant women and those who witnessed the hearing his Best was not enough to merit their quiet satisfaction.

    Their uproar must have been based primarily on the fact that even non-lawyers can determine whether a lawyer’s line of questioning is well-prepared and/or well-thought of for it to be effective in dissecting and eliciting expected responses. A case as crucial as Nicole’s cannot be taken for granted more so, it cannot afford to allow mediocre peformance and ill preparation or the lack of it.

    And these complaints should not also be taken for granted because while some of them are maybe lawyers in their own right most, if not all, of these women may have been well-versed on the issues of women’s violence and the law.

    And some of them have,perhaps, seen how tranquil yet excruciating can Atty. Evalyn Ursua be in the courtroom especially when cross examining accused perpetrators of rape and other forms violence against women. And they expect no less than that, if possible.

    It was explained why Ursua may not be given the opportunity for cross examination. There is no doubt the public prosecutors are doing their best to win the case but by proper protocol, it is still hoped that the public prosecutor will allow Atty. Ursua to question any of the accused and their witnesses.

    And if that it is not possible, may they all concur for the benefit of the case.

  2. Melba said,

    September 14, 2006 at 7:40 am

    By the way, it should also be recognized that Public prosecutor Hazel Valdez did very well in cross examining Bamberger.

  3. Arnold said,

    September 15, 2006 at 4:57 am

    It’s not that the prosecutors are incompetent. Nicole’s rape case is weak. She has credibility problems. If it’s not too late, she should negotiate for a settlement and with whatever she could get, live a better life. This way, she wins.

    What about KAISA KA? Never mind them. They are using Nicole for their own ends. They are not really after justice but for their own pathetic, self serving cause.

  4. Melba said,

    September 15, 2006 at 6:35 am

    Either you have issues with assertive women or you have issues with rape.

    The thing is even from the very beginning of the trial Nicole’s case was never weak. Nothwithstanding, the unprepared handling of the state prosecutor Quiambao… the inconsistent statements of Smith weakened his case even more. Who’s got credibility problems? And lo came Bamberger! The defense big witness-turned-disappointment. He, who said, that Nicole never cheated him.

    And of course, the suggestion for settlement is tantamount to agreeing/admitting that Nicole, indeed, was rape. Gotcha!

  5. flef said,

    September 15, 2006 at 1:43 pm

    To all of Nicole’s detractors:
    The Rules of Court, in Rule 130, Sec.27 states that:
    xxx
    In criminal cases…, an offer of compromise by the accused may be received in evidence as an implied admission of guilt.
    xxx

    Don’t be such braggarts about Nicole settling the case financially. Who are you to know better? Who could live a “better life” knowing that a travesty has been committed against your honor, your person, and you just let it go?

    And the case, FYI, is NOT weak, if you have half a brain to consider the evidence presented by the prosecution these past few months. Kaisa Ka and other groups are crying foul because of the half-hearted (or may we daresay in bad faith) efforts exerted by the public prosecutors in handling the case.

    This mediocrity has gone on before and we just let it go; but letting Smith off the hook is just too much for our sensibilities. He is THE principal accused, his incredible testimony was a “mine field” for cross-exam. To assign the cross-examination duties to the least experienced lawyer in the team was… truly in bad faith on the part of the head of the state pros. Perhaps Fiscal Quiambao did his best, maybe he was just given his chance to prove himself. HOWEVER, this is not the time to just do one’s best, or to give others a chance. This is a time to be DAMNED SURE about your moves. As I’ve said, and I emphasize, Smith IS THE PRINCIPAL ACCUSED. Being the prosecutor, you have to destroy him. That’s the only thing you should do.

    That, my friends, never happened last Monday.

  6. flef said,

    September 15, 2006 at 1:46 pm

    Oh, and in fact, Judge Pozon himself commented in the middle of the cross-examination: “Atty. Quiambao, are you even doing a cross-exam?!”

  7. dioseffe said,

    September 15, 2006 at 1:57 pm

    here we go again. telling things we don’t have any idea at all. well, i could not blame people who up to now are indenial of the things that are really affecting each and every filipino people and the true state of our society!!!

    know what, i just like to congratulate someone who have ‘balls and enough courage to speak for something they believe to be true. atleast may ‘balls’ siya para humarap at magpahayag ng kanyang opinyon (kahit walang basehan!).

    WELL, ATLEAST! yan lang ang masasabi ko.

    tamaan wag magalit. BATO BATO SA LANGIT!

  8. stoxbnx3 said,

    September 15, 2006 at 2:43 pm

    go flef! *claps*

    arnold, how could you say that the prosecutors are not incomepetent? have you been to any hearing?

  9. Jose Lopez said,

    September 15, 2006 at 11:22 pm

    I seriously doubt the loyalties of the Justice Secretary himself … so why should I be comfortable with his public prosecutors?

    Imagine the INDISCRETION and IRRESPONSIBILITY of the JUSTICE SECRETARY in publicly declaring that Nicole is “imagining things” about the prosecution panel as he believes she is “imagining things” in the purpurted rape.

    “HONORABLE JUSTICE” … YOUR WORDS BETRAY YOU.

  10. Arnold said,

    September 16, 2006 at 12:34 am

    Kayo talaga oo. E kung malakas ang kaso ano pa ala-ala ninyo? Siempre pag mahina kung sino sino na lang ang sinisisi. Hindi ninyo ba alam na ang mag settle e pankaraniwang ginagawa sa kung ano anong kaso?

    Paano na yan kung matalo ang kaso ninyo? Rally ang kung ano anong gulo na naman ang gagawain ninyo. Sa katunayan, kahit ano man ang katotohanan, kahit sabihin pa ni nicole na nagkamali siya, sa isip ninyo basta na rape ka nicole. Hindi na si nicole ang kaso. Yung mga amerikano na.

    Hindi katarungan ang hinahanap ninyo.

  11. Anonymous said,

    September 16, 2006 at 6:23 am

    hay naku, ang bobo mo talaga!

  12. Anonymous said,

    September 17, 2006 at 1:58 am

    Boba talga! E kung hindi kumerengkeng sa mga sundalo iyan, e di walang gulo.

  13. dioseffe said,

    September 17, 2006 at 4:57 am

    HINDI KO MALAMAN KUNG BAKIT MAY MGA TAONG HANGANG NGAYON AY BULAG AT BINGI SA MGA NAGAGANAP SA PALIGID.

    you really have a huge sense of machism arnold. sexist maxado. totoo, i guess its not really the issue of incompetence. dahil ang totoong isyu d2 ay ang patuloy na pagpanig ng SARILI NATING GUBYERNO sa dikta ng dayuhan.

    ang hirap kasi may mga taong nangungunsinti nito KATULAD NINYO!

    HINDI NA ITO LABAN SA LOOB NG KORTE, HINDI NA ITO SA PAGITAN NG BABAENG GINAHASA AT NG NANGGAHASA! ITO AY LABAN NA SA PAGITAN NG ISANG BANSANG PATULOY NA DINODOMINANSYAHAN NG ISANG MAKAPANGYARIHANG BAYAN AT NG MGA TAONG NAKIKIBAKA PARA TUTULAN ITO AT WAKASAN ANG PANGINGIBABAW NA NAGAGANAP!

    ang hirap magpaliwanag sa mga taong tinakpan ang kanilang mga tenga at mata para sa katotohanan. sana lang u won’t be able to experience what ‘nicole’ had. wag nioh na intayin pa un dahil baka dun lang kayo magsing sa bangungot nioh. mahirap na. naza huli ang pagsisisi.

    hindi nakakatawa at nakakatuwa ang AGAWAN ka ng DIGNIDAD at PANGARAP at LAPASTANGANIN ng mga dayuhan sa SARILI MONG BAYAN. WORST, ay ang TALIKURAN KA ng SARILI MONG KABABAYAN!

  14. Aileen said,

    September 17, 2006 at 10:02 am

    ang sinabi kong bobo ay si arnold. ano vey!

  15. Anonymous said,

    September 18, 2006 at 3:06 am

    E bat di mo nilinaw? Ikaw pala bobo.

  16. nancy said,

    September 18, 2006 at 7:05 pm

    If i am the procecutor i will ask Nicole what she wants to be done to the accused as if she was the one who was accused of rape.Yes,i understand that men especilly military are mostly hunger for sex,and to think that Nicole was having drinking party with thi marines of course it give to the accused a chance to enjoy sex in the van.YES, Nicole was not treated the rightway by either the marines or the Neptune club she was having party at.Nicole should be responsible for herself not to get drunk too much than she can handle herself,it is her fault that this sex hunger marine take advantages on her weakness while she is drunk;;BUT A DECENT WOMAN WILL NOT GOING TO having drinking party more than she can handle.Wether she like that incident or not both had to be blame for it.Nicole give the accused a chance to do it by having drinking with them.It is normal for this sex hungry men to look for woman willing to give them that fan they all dream about.Yes it was a bad situation that they treadted you that way but you are the one who give them that chance.Yes it is too late to say sorry it happened the way,when this accused men supposed to treated the way you want to be…better ask the judge what is the proper way to treat drunk woman who can not even take control of herself.IF I AM THE JUDGE I WILL SUGGEST you both be jailed for giving headache to the publics.Yes with out you and with out this men rape will not happen.Yes this accused marines must ask forgiveness from you for taking advantages to your weakness but you must also forgive him because you are the one who give that chance to happened.I believe a woman that do not want to have sex or be raped should think about her safety before drinking too much.It is also your fault you abandoned your self to be intoxicated,and it is also the mens fault they take you out for having sex.So the answer to your case is your own accepteance of both of you should blame for the fact that you both drunk and crave for sex.I believe at your age and had expereince in sex already you desire for sex also but it take place in the van and just drop you on the pier you know why,this marines can not take you where you live or afraid to take you where you live for reasons filipinos will kill even for a piece of bread.Yes americans especially military are afraid of filipinos even they are train to kill they think of their safety also so you are responsible for yourself and americans maybe partner in military training with filipino military but they also do not trust filipinos.IN GOD WE TRUST(americans) BAHALA NA (pilipino)Americans is not our friends they using us as we using them.Yes can Philippines protect itself from being conquered of another invaders like terrorist without their help in weapons or their men willing to die for pilipinos for freedom that we all enjoy now.Is all the filipinos rather be a slave of JAPAN; CHINA;SPAIN or MIDDLE EAST or EUROPEAN COUNTRIES:Think about why shit happen because we are all alive and normally eat and drink.Luckily you are still lefted alive and not dropted on that pier water if they really think that what they do is rape.Rapist normally killed their victims before they will be punished.On your part you are used for sex but not really rape because you also give them the chance by drinking with them and they do not hurt you or force you but you are too weak to say no,for this reason you are considered victim of rape but with your cooperation.For people who enjoy sex in the van or on the beach it is for them fun but for people who do not enjoy sex wether it is on the hotel or secret places it is rape.YES what the accused supposed to do when he has to follow his officer to be back to his quarters he has no time for you to bring you home and treat you like cinderella.You must understand that military has not much time for love they have a lot of time for wars.They are paid to kill not for love.Yes if women want to be respected and not treated that way they should not get drunk and lost control of themself otherwise SHIT HAPPEN again.NICOLE what kind of punishment you want for your rapist?If they are guilty of having sex with you while you are too weak to kick their balls if you really do not want too? The driver of the van has knowldge of your rape,if this accused really rape you then he can stand on the witness stand and exactly discuss what is going on there in the van because your only witness to prove that there is rape is him.He can tell the judge that you was used for sex but you can not jailed this men only because of that,the rapist do not left their victim alive otherwise they will suffer on it after.I will imagine if you are my daughter,first i will blame you for going to that club and doing drinking party.Then i will blame the companions of yours for not taking goodcare of you or not bring you home.Those marines are not responsible for you to bring you home because they do not know where you live and his officer will not let him go out with you especially that said officer is responsible for his men to bring them home alive not dead on the street because he want to please you or treated you nicely.When i analized your situation you expect this marines to babysit you and care for you when they do not even care or love you,they are only attracted to you because you can be used for their sex adventures.Yes you only has to blame yourself for drinking too much and your companion for not taking you home but you are old enough to care for yourself or you are physically damaged need a babyitter always.You can forgive this men and you can forget that incident as years goes by but you can not forgive yourself if you are to blame why this things happen.If this men killed in philippines jail becaused of your allegation can you forgive yourself for planting the reason why they was jailed and died on Philippines prison.You was treated like a used clothes but it is your fault you give them that opportunity.If you don`t get drunk or went to that club to met this sex hungry guy that will not happen.Would you like to marry him your rapist and live with him to AMERICA? Things like your experience is normal for american women who looking for sex,just go to some club get drunk then who knows who will not take advantages to that opportunity and i believe you are young and beautiful so they are sexually turn on to you quickly plus the influence of alcohol it makes them more aggressive at sex.My suggestion if i were you i will probably wait fur the right decision the Honorable judge will do because you also makes mistakes by joining them in drinking party and all of you are influence by drug? and alcohol?If you think you are a decent woman and you want to be treated properly you should not drink hard liquor,the evedince that you drink like you are a professional prostitutes gives the accused you are a whore.If you do not want to be called that way you should first let them know you do not drink hard liquor and just went to the club to dance, met some nice person to talk to, not to get drunk that you do not even know what is going on.Yes the accused should left you there in the club you was at that way you will be take good care of the club owner or your companions for going there.The only mistakes the accused makes is if you was forcely or without your consent to go with them and they drag or carry you all the way inside the van and used for sexual intercourse.YES YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO WIN IN THIS CASE IF u can prove that you had no knowldege or consent for going with them inside the van and that accused had forcily carry you to the van and make sexual intercourse with you without your consent.YOU CAN ALSO WIN IF THE JUDGE WILL AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU WAS CARRY BY THE ACCUSED TO THE VAN AND HAVE SEX WITH YOU:The accused who wear a condom was either scared to makes you pregnant or afraid to catch some sexually transmitted disease.So he is also not so sure about your personality.If ever they want to just settle the case pay for the appropriate price you want to charges them to pay better takes that deal than you ask judge to put them in PHILIPPINES PRISON then after a day or two they are killed by this pilipino prisoner then could you justify that because of your allegation they are dead on the wrong place not on war but inside the PHILIPPINES PRISON:Have you ever visited the Philippines prison?Take a look at it can you imagine if you were that accused going to jail just because he have sex with you.Your case is not really humicide and for treating you that way it was your fault you get drunk with them more than you can handle to take good care yourself.Yes you was not thinking americans will treat you that way,left you on the pier like a garbage but you the one who let yourself to disresfectfull by them because you get drunk like you are a professional whore.I believe you are not a whore you,you have no reason to be a whore you are rich your family can afford to give you what you desired but you makes mistakes of abusing your freedom in drinking hard liqour and you are a lady you should be smart enough not to let this men make a fool of you,or you like to play being fool then after they have to pay for it.Who you think the righteous judges will just listen to your stories and do not listen to the accused reason.You are both human being both makes mistakes for drinking too much therefore you are both should be jail in same prison but you should not fight instead you should love each other and get married inside the prison and come out if you have to deliver your baby.Happy Ending.Wishing you and the accused goodluck,goodhealth,goodfuture and a happy harmoniuos family.Yes the solution for hates is love.If you love him,you will forgive him,if you don`t forgive him God will also not forgive you…at the end who you think will going to hell YOU or HIM.GOD SAID THOSE WHO CAN NOT FORGIVE WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN:So forgive him while you are still alive if you are dead how can you forgive him.At the end of your life you will never regret not winning that verdict not closing one more deal, you will regret not forgiving those who makes mistakes against you,not spent times to your love ones,to your mom to your family and friends.So why waste a lot of time for useless case when you can concentrate on much better and productive life.Your sexual experience is not as bad as those who was killed right after they was used for sex therefore the accused deserves your forgiveness and accept what ever the proper payment he owed you for treating you wrong wayThe accused is not an officer his rank is higher than zero therefore he was not aware of the consequence that he should treat you the proper way.He was also a baby like you need someone to babysit him and tell him what to do,but on the matter of sex anyone can do it as long as both want it.If you do not like him you should not drink with them,because men was normally sexually active if you know that.You can try to talk to other men about it then you will know that if he didn`t have sex with you that night,he probably will be laughed about by his mates for being a jerk or stupid or whatever.YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL AND YOUNG men will go crazy not to take the chance while they have that opportunity and i believe he likes you very much, that he can not wait for another day to see you again or his freedom to go out as a military is limited,you should understand his situation not only yourself.They are train to kill,to love for a little bit,but no enough patience for uncertainty,you are for him a hot pie for a hungry mouth so i hope you understand that lucky he do not kill you and drop you dead on the pier where he left you.He trust you that you can manage to go home because you are in your own country and you are not even scared going on the club getting drunk more than you can handle yourself.I hope that you will realize you both makes mistakes and you both need to forgive each other,you accused him as rapist,and you was a victim of your own negligence you both have a dirt on your face that needed to be wash if not that dirt will be the cause of the war between USAPHILIPPINES:Can you forgive yourself if many filipinoes will die for you only because you will not forgive him?Filipinos not all but mostly are corrupt,disrespectfull,unlawfull citizen and murderer.You can compare the life of filipino to american ways,almost all of them pay tax the proper time and they are not going to kill for a piece of bread.They take advantages to those they think have no brain but not going to kill you for five hundred pesos this pilipinos do because that money is too hard for them to find in one day.I am a filipina and i know the BAYAN MAGILIW yes SA MANLULUPIG DI KA PASISIIL but in your case you give the rapist the chance that is why you was rape.I will fight for your rights the you was rape otherwise you will not risk your honor and dignity to be in public if you are not really vitim of it…but what punishment you want to give to your rapist when you invite him to rape you?Drinking with him is one reason he think you are whore just like everyone else who pretend professional dancer but they work as a whore.If you are not a whore or expect to have sex with one of this men why you get drunk with them and entertain them.Military especially marines from okinawa they know that girls they met in the club or bars likes to have sex with the one they pretend they likes and for that matter you was mistaken for it.You was on the wrong place and on the wrong time that is why SHIT HAPPENED:PHILIPPINES is not safe for anyone either foreigner or locals because no matter where you are in this world if you do not care for your safety anywhere,anytime you can be a victim of crimes,the club where you been drinking is also responsible for you because if the accused really carry you to the van,the manager OF THE SAID CLUB can call the police to stop the accused for taking you out without you knowing it.You have so many people to blame, your companion for not taking goodcare of you,when they see you was no more in control of yourself.The driver of the van can also stop these marines from taking you inside the van.You had so many to blame on for that incident but you only has to blame very much yourself for being so stupid that night.Hopefully the accused will give you back the money you spent for your lawyers and the wasted time you should spent in running your business.Take it easy,it is not the end of the world,life is full of magic you never know how lucky you are you are still alive and not just thrown away on the ocean.Forgive him,so you will find peace ,happiness within yourself.Love, DREAMQUEEN:

  17. Anonymous said,

    September 20, 2006 at 2:09 am

    mmm. ok, points well-took.

  18. Norah said,

    September 20, 2006 at 5:31 am

    I’ve been hearing this “Subic rape case” and i was surprised that the “rapist” is only 19 years old, honestly it’s driving me nuts! Is she preggy???? Oh! there was a used condom. I’ve dated Americans – went for dinner, drink (but i never let myself drunk for safety reasons), and sex (when i really know and i like the guy). If i’m in “Nicole’s” shoes, i would rather forgive/negotiate with this dude. I’ve heard that she already have an American bf and if she is a decent lady, then she should not have been drinking and flirting with “Smith” that night. I agree with Nancy that you have so many people to blame and that includes YOURSELF.

    You’re the one who is hurting yourself, girl! Just negotiate with them because you’re wasting your time and money. Stop crying on public and move on! What about your dignity??? You should thought of that before you decided to party with somebody.

    Peace!

  19. roselle rivera said,

    September 20, 2006 at 10:32 am

    dear norah

    thank you for posting your thoughts. it allows us an opportunity to expose and debunk MYTHS which flood the minds of many people–meaning, this is how many people–men and women, educated or little formal schooling, rich and poor, beautiful or ugly, think….. these are typical ideas which get passed on from generation to generation. we try to transform people’s attitudes, beliefs, values one day at a time. its very very difficult we know. but talking and exchanging with different viewpoints is one step ahead.

    please take some of your time look at the left side of this website__ MYTHS AND FACTS. please click on them and read. we prepared some short documents–typical questions of those who have not been exposed to information and perspectives — on rape. there are questions there which people like you usually ask.but were never able to get answers. many committed people from all around the world who have worked on issues like these for many many years share their experiences–through the answers to questions.

    we strongly feel that we need to go beyond blaming the victim. Nicole is not the one on trial here you know. there is such thing in life as justice and integrity. and being able to sleep soundly at night because we dont just turn our back on principles we believe in. in pilipino, we call this “pagkatao.” there is no accurate english translation but it has a lot to do with one’s soul and spirit.

    roselle

  20. melba said,

    September 20, 2006 at 11:00 am

    And Norah it should be emphasized that Nicole was not dating Smith and his group and was not drinking with them.

  21. dioseffe said,

    September 20, 2006 at 3:34 pm

    norah. you said you’ve heard about this subic rape case. but my question is DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT THE REAL SCORE IS? just wanna tell this again. even a woman is a ‘porstituted’ one, that would not be a good excuse for her to be raped.

    sorry, but i just want to tell you this, HUWAG MONG IGAYA SI NICOLE SA PAGIGING FLIRT MO! (excuse me for being vulgar) if YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO ACT AND TREAT YOURSELF ON A DECENT MANNER, well, wag ka maghanap ng kagaya mo at ipangalandakan na walang kang respeto sa sarili mo.

    first, she’s not having party with them. hindi pow kasama talaga ni nicole yung mga yun that night. just so happen na andun din cla nun. secondly, so what if daniel smith is 19 yrs. old? why? wala bang libido ang 19 year old guy? (xenxa pow ulit sa term)

    next time analyze first before saying something nakakahiya kasi yung nagsasalita nang wala naman talaga alam sa sinasabi.

    know what girl, I FEEL SAD ABOUT YOU. wla ka n nga respeto sa sarili mong katawan. nakuha mo pa un ipagmalaki. well, cge bka sabihin mo eh im rude. i salute you for you bravery even though the things you’ve said about yourself is kinda embarrasing sa sarili mo mismo. i’ll borrow what you said…

    IF I’M IN YOUR SHOES… I’D RATHER HIDE IN SHAME!

    peace out! ;-P

  22. "maggie" said,

    September 22, 2006 at 4:36 pm

    I agree with Norah. Melba said in other forum that Nicoles Family has a US Marine Best friend. Did you ask, “NICOLE?”, , How did she met that US Marine guys who invite her to go to Neptune Bar? Where is that guy when the time that Nicole is get drunk? How come he dont stop Nicole from being out of mind and be irresponsble to herself during the alleged rape happens? there are many question that “NICOLE?” need to answers.

  23. maiacubillan said,

    September 22, 2006 at 5:01 pm

    “maggie,”

    the answers to your questions are all over this blog. just take the time to read them, ok?

    norah,

    FYI smith is 21. Nicole got drunk because she’s not used to drinking alcoholic beverages.

  24. dioseffe said,

    September 24, 2006 at 12:44 pm

    maggie. next time magbasa ka. marunong ka naman siguro magbasa ano po.

    nicole is from zamboanga. she and her family lives inside a US military base. and runs a canteen there.

    yun kaya kilala nila ang us marine na yun. kaya nga hindi natakot si nicole nung una sa apat na rapist na yun eh. kasi sanay sila makisalamuha sa mga kanong sundalo. kaya nga ang iniisip niya na ang lahat ng mga sundalong kano ay maayos makisama. kasi yun ang nakagisnan nila sa lugar nila.

    hay…! next time use your brains people! HINDI MASAMA ANG PAGGAMIT NG UTAK, HINDI YUN BAWAL SA BATAS! pag binenta mo brain mo, MAHAL…
    kasi ‘slightly used’!

    peace out!=p

  25. roselle rivera said,

    September 25, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    hi dioseffe

    kakatawa ka naman. relax ka lang dyan. ang hirap hindi magalit ano? ako rin ganyan din ako. pero ganun nga talaga kasi yun nga, tao lang tayo at hindi robot at maliwanang na mahalaga sa atin ang PAGKATAO. kaya itong galit na ito, ang hirap rin i-channel sa calmadong pag uusap.

    kaya itaas natin ang kamulatan ng mga taong konti lang ang kaalaman ukol sa isyu. kadalasan ay maraming tao, marami ring kababaihan dito, ay saradong sarado pa rin ang isipan kasi grabe rin talaga ang nakikita, nababasa, naririnig sa sine, sa dyaryo, magasin, sa palabas sa TV—lahat lahat ng mga kung saan galing ang mga maling paniniwala. ano nga naman ang laban natin sa kamachohan ni joey marquez, richard gomez at governor farinas di ba? well, ika nga, ang ilang dekada ng pagkilos ng maraming samahan ng kababaihan ay sagot sa daan sa pagbabago ng kamachohan nilang lahat!

    alam ko minsan talaga ( kadalasan pala, hindi minsan!) nakakainis, nakakabuwisit, nakakawala ng pasensiya, grrrrrrrrr– pero yun nga. kelangan natin kausapin ang lahat lahat ng ibat ibang klaseng tao–mga walang impormasyon, mga matagal na hindi pa rin nagbabago ang mga maling paniniwala, mga taong nilunok ang lahat ng mga matinding insulto sa katalinuhan ng babae.

    haaaaaaaaaay. ang tagal ng pagbabago. kahit pano, ginagawa natin ang pakikipag usap na ito. kasi naniniwala tayo na lahat ng kababaihan ay karapatan maging ligtas sa karahasan.

    roselle

    ps pasensiya na sa tagalog ko ha. trying hard ika nga.

  26. dioseffe said,

    September 26, 2006 at 12:17 pm

    well, roselle may tama ka. hehe..

    hindi p naman ako galit.just want these people to take note of the things na minsan nakakalimutan natin eh importante pa naman lalo at ang hilig nila mag-engage sa discussion.

    good to hear that some like us knows where to stand. salamat sa lahat ng sumusuporta kay nicole. kailangan niya tayong lahat. as in lahat. not just the women of this nation but the whole nation itself.

  27. nikki said,

    September 26, 2006 at 2:17 pm

    tama lng tlg ang ginawa ni nicole. tapang nya kaya!!! tlgng d ntakot lumaban! GO GIRL!!!! sana nga mamulat nung mga tao dyn n may isang NICOLE nakaya nyang ipagtanggol sarili nya s ganitong pagsubuk.dahil alam ni NICOLE na mali ung ginawa ng mga ASSHOLE(US MARINE) s kanya. ung tlgng mabuit cla bt nila bsta na lng tinapon c nicole n “parang baboy”. me eyewitness kaya nkakita s kanila.

    maggie, 4 sure d k nirerespeto ng “asawa” mong us marine pnapabayaan mong abusuhin k.

    tama lng tlg ginawa ni NICOLE!!! nangmaturuan cla ng leksyon.hindi lahat ng babae d2 s pilipinas kaya kayanin n lng nila.

    nakahanap cla ng katapat!!! at yun ay c NICOLE!!!

  28. "maggie" said,

    September 26, 2006 at 8:01 pm

    To Nkki: How did you know na hindi ako ginalang ng asawa kong US Marine? For your information, kaya nya ako nagustuhan ay dahil sa nakita nya sa akin na hindi ako tulad ng ibang girl na nakita nya nung time na mameet ko sya. I cant dance like what Nicole did to Neptune Bar. Hindi ako marunong magsayaw, tinkling lang ang alam kong dance L.O.L. Just like Melba said in the other Topic, just be Thankful that i found a right man for me. And for your information, Nikki, sobra pong bait ng husband ko to me and to my son. Hindi naman ako sobrang tanga na tulad ng iniisip sa akin ni Dioseffe, and it hurts me a lot that Dioseffe being rude to me, katulad din pala sya sa ibang guy na nananakit ng damdamin ng isang babae just like what he said to me.
    To dioseffe: thank you for your being rude. Im sorry that im giving comments about nicoles without reading the summaries of the case, i already did, and now i understand. But still, there are lots of question in my mind about what happen that night it happens, but id better keep my mouth shut na lng, kasi bigla dumating husband ko, and told me to stop to get involved and give comments here, Tama si Melba that i just have to thankful that i found a good US Marine guy. Not all of them is bad or Asshole just like what Nikki said. Thanks for everybody here!
    Peace be with you, Nicole!

  29. sydney said,

    September 27, 2006 at 5:21 am

    wala bang tv or radio sa pinaggalingan ni nicole? para naging aware sya kung gaano ka-delikado sa panahon ngaun. kahit nga sa loob ng bahay may nararape, kahit nga kaibigan ng-rape eh. i think nicole was just trying hard to ‘americanized or liberated’ gaya ng ibang kabataan ngaun, kaso it went out of hand,

    “FYI smith is 21. Nicole got drunk because she’s not used to drinking alcoholic beverages.”

    bakit nmn sa piling ng mga lalaki pa…oops teka, is it true na it wasnt her first intercourse? kung hindi yun, malamang she’s used to being reckless na.

    kung kayo si nicole ng gabing iyon, how would you handle the situation starting at the moment you arrived at the bar?

  30. aileen estoquia said,

    September 27, 2006 at 6:55 am

    1. “is it true na it wasn’t her first intercourse?”

    i am not sure about that, but..SO WHAT IF IT WASN’T HER FIRST INTERCOURSE?

    even married women can be raped!

    2. “para naging aware sya kung gaano ka-delikado sa panahon ngaun. kahit nga sa loob ng bahay may nararape, kahit nga kaibigan ng-rape eh. i think nicole was just trying hard to ‘americanized or liberated’ gaya ng ibang kabataan ngaun, kaso it went out of hand,”

    so what do you want women to do? lock ourselves up in our closets day in and day out just because some XY-bearing humanoids can’t control the surge of their testosterones?

    giving in to the “call of nature” even if it DESTROYS another is a weakness. humans are not subservient to nature. we all have intelligence which distinguishes us from animals, and which also gives us the power to control ourselves. a genuine man respects a woman. he does not take advantage of her, especially when she is most vulnerable, and even when he has the opportunity. why question only nicole’s actions? why not question also the actions of the accused?

    you are being unfair. can’t you understand that she has had enough trauma to take your blame, which she doesn’t even deserve in the first place?

  31. melba said,

    September 27, 2006 at 9:42 am

    And men who gang up on women for sex either by payment or by force are not called reckless?

    How do we call them then?

  32. dioseffe said,

    September 27, 2006 at 11:13 am

    maggie. good thing u’ve understand things out. well, maybe melba is right. just be thankful u found someone hu loves u so dearly. but then just take this piece of advise. hindi jan natatapos ang pakikibaka ng buong hanay ng kababaihan. tatlong sapin sapin ng pananamantala ang nararanasan ng buong kababaihan. at sana ay hanggang doon ay matutuhan ng lahat ng babae ang dapat gawin upang ito ay alpasan.

    well, i wanna APOLOGIZE if i got rude. maybe bcoz i know what nicole really feels from the very beginning of this case. if u can only see her, especially during the hearings. again, sorry for being rude n my words. i didn’t mean to insult anybody, i just got carried away seeing that even ‘FILIPINO’ people don’t have any sympathy on their kababayan na nilapastangan sa mismong sariling bansa nia.

    ilagay nioh keia sarili nioh kay nicole. ang gahasain ng dayuhan sa sarili mong bayan at hindi paniwalaan ng iyong mga kababayan. diba.

    people, there a lot of things in the world na nangangailangan ng ating pakikialam. don’t be so apathetic. alam kong alam nioh na may magagawa kayo sa kung ano man ang kasalukuyang nararanasan natin pare-pareho sa mundong ito. stand up and give what u need to give, do what you must do.

  33. dioseffe said,

    September 27, 2006 at 11:21 am

    sydney, well, cguro let’s just say nga na trying hard siya to be liberated. but my question is. does that give any JUSTIFICATION para ma-rape siya?!? another thing, anu naman kung it wasn’t her first time. kahit sa mag-asawa, kung ayaw nung babae na makipagtalik at pinilit siya nung lalaki that’s rape. hindi mo po b alam un.

    now, ung tanong mo na kung iba ang nasa lagay ni nicole that night. nakita mo ung mga list ng mga nainom nia db. kaw kaya ang uminom nun try mo lang. pag nasa matino ka pa ring pag-iisip sa isang kalagayan na malapit na sa commatos ewan ko na lang po.

  34. cheenie said,

    September 28, 2006 at 9:24 am

    everybody has entitled to have their own opinion, so let it be. as long as you respect your self and others. but for me, i stand with nicole. no body wants to be rape and the womans have the right to enjoy life just like the mens do…. thank you.

  35. dioseffe said,

    September 30, 2006 at 2:52 am

    very very nice point cheenie. i go with your point.

  36. slut thy name is nicole said,

    October 2, 2006 at 11:55 pm

    no one deserves to be raped but on the same note, no one should also try to redeem themselves by claiming rape after a one night stand. just my 2 cents.

  37. dioseffe said,

    October 3, 2006 at 12:45 pm

    “slut thy name is nicole” — walang magsa-sacrifice ng kanyang pangalan at kahihiyan para lang sa wala. think before u talk.

  38. slut thy name is nicole said,

    October 3, 2006 at 3:02 pm

    i always do, sweetheart!

  39. Melba said,

    October 3, 2006 at 11:05 pm

    You must be thinking of someone else. There was no one-night stand that happened in the first place. There was only rape.

  40. dioseffe said,

    October 4, 2006 at 3:49 am

    you do?

    uhmm… ukiez. next time think harder, my dear! =>

  41. slut thy name is nicole said,

    October 4, 2006 at 4:55 pm

    melba-you think its rape, i think it was consentual sex. this is a public forum and we’re both entitled to our own opinion.
    dioseffe- practice what you preach! just heed with your own advice so you wont come up with this kind of gem : “HINDI MASAMA ANG PAGGAMIT NG UTAK, HINDI YUN BAWAL SA BATAS”
    Dude, you crack me up!

  42. flef said,

    October 4, 2006 at 6:50 pm

    to “slut thy name is nicole”:
    the elements of Rape under the Revised Penal Code are basically:
    1. carnal knowledge (in other words, sexual intercourse)
    2. lack of consent to the intercourse

    tell me, how could nicole have given consent when she was dead drunk that night? smith has admitted to sex, albeit consensual. he did the prosecution a favor in doing that. the only thing we need to do is prove lack of consent. now, if you will consider the credible testimony of the toxicologists, you will come to realize that THERE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONSENT since nicole was virtually unconscious that fateful night.

    i believe her. because i also tried drinking ALL of the drinks which she drank. in the same order, in the same quantity. and man, i became so intoxicated i couldn’t feel my own face. my friend who did the same simply collapsed. and we’re certainly more experienced drinkers compared to nicole. the toxicologist later told us that the quantity of liquor that we drank could possibly have killed us. that bit of information closed the case in our opinion. it couldn’t have been anything but rape.

    if you’re still not convinced, consider the circumstantial evidence:
    1. the Neptune Club security guard’s testimony of how nicole was supposedly loaded into the van — “nakabakay,” meaning nakapatong sa likod
    2. the driver’s ORIGINAL testimony that Carpentier ordered him to “just drive slow” – why? to lengthen the ride and the free live show, of course.
    3. the manner in which nicole was unloaded from the van — binaba na “parang baboy,” according to the testimony of Joseph Khonghun. why would she be brought down like a pig if she had alighted the van on her own volition, or if she was conscious?

    i agree with your comment. but it doesn’t apply to nicole. because it was not a one night stand. it was rape. nothing more, nothing less.

  43. slut thy name is nicole said,

    October 4, 2006 at 11:29 pm

    you can believe what you want, that’s your prerogative. i still believe in dan smith’s innocence. i could argue with you all day regarding the forensic and circumstantial evidences but what’s the point? the CIRCUS is almost over. let’s just wait for the verdict.
    i do would like to point out that i may not agree with your point of view, you have my respect for posting intelligently.

  44. melba said,

    October 5, 2006 at 11:23 am

    Exactly, that’s why I countered your point. And usually reason does not resort to name calling if only to prove a point.

  45. dioseffe said,

    October 6, 2006 at 4:43 am

    kung gngamit mo utak mo at tlgang nag-iisip k bago k magsalita bakit ganyan pa rin ang pinagsasasabi mo. nagbabasa k b. binasa mo b ng buo tong blog.

    basahin mo nang paulit-ulit yung kinopya mo na tinayp ko. baka kaw ang ndi nakakaintindi. wak tanga ah.=>

  46. slut thy name is nicole said,

    October 6, 2006 at 5:06 am

    ^^^^^
    you need to stop cornholling your dog, gumdrop tweaker, it obviously affected your brain. see a shrink if you can afford one! ROTFLMAO!!!!
    SAD.PATHETIC.GRIM.

  47. dioseffe said,

    October 8, 2006 at 3:11 am

    hahaha… luk hus talking. sino keia ang PATHETIC? hmm..(thinking mode)=>

  48. October 8, 2006 at 3:48 am

    Kababayan, sinusundan mo ba ang kaso ni ‘Nicole’, ang 22 taong gulang na ginahasa sa Subic?

    Ano ba ang kabuluhan nito sa atin?

    Sabi ng iba, “kung matino kasi yang babaeng yan, di siya dapat nasa bar at naglalasing”. Pabirong sabi naman ng ilan na sana sila na ang ginahasa at baka nalahian pa sila ng puti na asul ang mga mata.

    Kababayan, kelan pa ba naging tama ang panggagahasa? Kelan na ba naging ‘deserving’ ang isang babae na gahasain?

    Liban pa, unti-unti namang nalilinawan sa ating, hindi masamang tai si ‘Nicole’. Napunta sila sa Subic at sa bar na iyon sa imbitasyon ng isang kaibigan ng pamilya.

    At kung si ‘Nicole’ ay nagtatrabaho nga sa bar, pababayaan natin siya dahil hinusgahan natin siya sa pagpasok sa ganoong trabaho? Pag ganyan, parang inilibing natin ng buhay ang dati nang sadlak sa kahirapan. Noong panahong di pa napapaalis ang mga base, marami na ang naiulat na kaso ng pang-aabusong sekswal ng mga sundalong US sa mga Pilipina.

    Nakakarating sa Pulis ang kaso, pero walang umabante para malitis sa korte, ipinalagay na ang lahat ay bahagi ng pagpuputa ng mga Pilipina. Tuloy, bago nauso ang larawan ng mga Pilipina sa abroad bilang domestic worker, “puta” ang dominanteng larawan ng Pilipina.

    Suportahan natin si ‘Nicole’. Nangahas siyang lumaban kahit napakalakas ng kalaban, kahit grabe ang presyur na siya ay tumahimik na lamang. Pagkat ayaw niyang marami pang maging biktima ng panggagahasa. Pagkat ayaw niyang patuloy na tinatratong baboy ang Pilipino.

    Suportahan natin si ‘Nicole’. Huwag nating hayaang tuloy-tuloy na magamit ang yaman at kapangyarihan ng malakas na bansa para makaiwas sa akmang kaparusahan ang mga rapists.

    Tumulong tayo kay Nicole at tumulong tayong iukit ang bagong Kasaysayan ng bayang Pilipinas!

    Katarungan para kay ‘Nicole’!

    Katarungan para sa bansang Pilipinas!

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    November 3, 2006 at 8:53 am

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